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Author Topic: Can't TX outside ham bands with FT-817ND?  (Read 1536 times)
BRODIECOWPER
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« on: April 05, 2018, 03:57:26 AM »

Good Evening.

I recently got my ham license after purchasing a Yaesu FT-817ND. I purchased the Yaesu for hobby ham but also to TX on outback Australian travel/emergency frequencies when required (Outback, remote and desert travel in regional Australia).

Frequency lists:
http://www.swld.com.au/pages/aus_rfds.htm
http://www.swld.com.au/pages/aus_remote_area.htm

I've noticed my Yaesu won't let me TX on most of these bands I'm applying for membership in (eg. VKS-737). Have I purchased the wrong radio and accessories? Sad

Thank You
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VK3BL
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2018, 04:54:57 AM »

Good Evening.

I recently got my ham license after purchasing a Yaesu FT-817ND. I purchased the Yaesu for hobby ham but also to TX on outback Australian travel/emergency frequencies when required (Outback, remote and desert travel in regional Australia).

Frequency lists:
http://www.swld.com.au/pages/aus_rfds.htm
http://www.swld.com.au/pages/aus_remote_area.htm

I've noticed my Yaesu won't let me TX on most of these bands I'm applying for membership in (eg. VKS-737). Have I purchased the wrong radio and accessories? Sad

Thank You

Unfortunately to transmit on commercial frequencies you require a type approved radio, and the Yaesu FT-817ND is not type approved in Australia.  As amateurs the operator's station is apparatus licensed with a given call sign and station location (limited exceptions made for portable usage).

You can on the other hand buy a commercial radio (such as a Barrett), and program it for access on the Amateur bands.

I wouldn't worry at this stage.  Once you learn to setup a well functioning HF station you will find the Amateur Bands (80M & 40M especially) will provide adequate coverage for mosts emergencies - the Amateur code of conduct requires us to provide assistance / relay emergency information to appropriate third parties.

That said, if you are planning extensive outback travel (months of remote travel at a time) a sat phone is probably a must.  A bare minimum would be VKS-737 membership with the appropriate type approved equipment - you can sign up for their sked and they will check up on you daily etc.

Once your call sign is allocated, please ensure you change your username here to your call sign.  Our community takes an unofficial but pragmatically dim view on those who do not pride themselves on having achieved their licence by displaying their call sign publicly.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2018, 06:04:28 AM »

I'm not fully versed on the laws in your country, but in the US there are legitimate reasons to allow all band-tx. Including operation in MARs or Civil Air Patrol, or to "broadcast anywhere and break all rules if it is to save a life"

That said the mod is easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCNIyuTF2G4
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VK6IS
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2018, 07:52:24 AM »

Yes - that Mod is Real Easy
 Smiley

but, then the Rig is not Type Approved - that's the rule.
- like it or not.

so, therefore, unlike the US there are NO legitimate reasons to allow all band-tx.
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KM1H
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2018, 03:21:58 PM »

Some rules are made to be broken especially bureaucratic ones Shocked
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VR2AX
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2018, 05:30:38 PM »

Some rules are made to be broken especially bureaucratic ones Shocked

They also "justify" putting a higher price on so called commercial rather than amateur equipment.

Not that long ago Icom and other sold, quite officially, amateur transceivers that were able, depending on the version or country to which they were sold, transmit outside amateur bands. For example, the IC-751A, IC-750, IC-745. You can see the "HAM/GENE" button on the photos. Versions sold to the amateur market experienced no change when the button was pushed; other versions went into general coverage transmit on a press of the button.

Typically in this region, shipping was a big market for these radios. Advent of sat phones has almost killed that market, although the demand for a backup still exists (you still carry a sextant as a backup).

Having just watched the Tomb Raider movie, I would not put total trust in a sat phone.

73,
VR2AX
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VK3BL
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2018, 08:04:39 PM »

Yes - that Mod is Real Easy
 Smiley

but, then the Rig is not Type Approved - that's the rule.
- like it or not.

so, therefore, unlike the US there are NO legitimate reasons to allow all band-tx.


There are quite a few legitimate reasons for a VK amateur to modify this particular radio for Wideband TX.

That said, if you can't think of one, I'm not going to point them out.  I'm not giving away the 'secret source' to people who just want to use a radio illegally, especially on 11M.

PS, none of them involve "but what if teh zombies comes".
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N6MST
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 01:08:10 PM »

please ensure you change your username here to your call sign.
Is there a way to do this? I inquired a few years ago and whoever answers emails at eHam told me I just needed to sign up for a new account and that usernames cannot be changed. Hence my usage of my old call. But I would prefer to post under my current call sign if it didn't mean setting up a new account.
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SOFAR
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2018, 02:40:09 PM »

please ensure you change your username here to your call sign.
Is there a way to do this? I inquired a few years ago and whoever answers emails at eHam told me I just needed to sign up for a new account and that usernames cannot be changed. Hence my usage of my old call. But I would prefer to post under my current call sign if it didn't mean setting up a new account.

https://www.eham.net/about/faq
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VK3BL
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 08:49:32 PM »

please ensure you change your username here to your call sign.
Is there a way to do this? I inquired a few years ago and whoever answers emails at eHam told me I just needed to sign up for a new account and that usernames cannot be changed. Hence my usage of my old call. But I would prefer to post under my current call sign if it didn't mean setting up a new account.

There definitely is now; my call here was originally VK3HXT, and I successfully changed it when I upgraded.

Click on the link below.  Skip reading the FAQ SOFAR posted but has never used, as I did it for you Wink

http://www.eham.net/user/updatenick
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2018, 09:26:30 AM »

I'm not fully versed on the laws in your country, but in the US there are legitimate reasons to allow all band-tx. Including operation in MARs or Civil Air Patrol
Ummm...no.

NTIA-certificated gear required for CAP service nowadays. An 817 (for example) isn't.
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N6MST
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2018, 01:05:48 PM »


There definitely is now; my call here was originally VK3HXT, and I successfully changed it when I upgraded.

Click on the link below.  Skip reading the FAQ SOFAR posted but has never used, as I did it for you Wink

http://www.eham.net/user/updatenick

Done, thank you!

Michael N6MST (formerly KJ6DRG)
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VK3BL
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2018, 07:23:58 PM »

Done, thank you!

Michael N6MST (formerly KJ6DRG)

You're most welcome Michael Smiley,

73, Jarrad
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